Working Girls & Guys: The Pleasure Behind the Gifting

[Keiko]

     As a former "Working Girl" on a different adult community site, I would like to emphasize the positive elements of gifting for pleasure and how a group of "Working Girls" or "Working Guys" could make the experience for users on AChat a more pleasurable one. I'd also like to hear your opinion on this topic.


     First, I think that gifting is primarily used in an exchange for services. I know not all, but majority of it is. I also believe it was one of the strongest influences for the reason it was created. Some use gifting as a friendly gesture or to help someone. Others view it as their primary funding source and will use scams to obtain it.


     It's always a roll of the dice when searching for new partners. You never really know how they would interact with you when in a room. I know that most, if not all of us have been with a partner who failed to provide us with the mental/visual stimulation that we were craving. Maybe they didn't communicate effectively, Lacked the attention span to properly utilize the full effectiveness of the poses and animations for optimal realism (AKA "click-happy") or they just left before we were fully satisfied. I could keep going but I think you get the point.


     This is where Working Girls and Guys (WG's) become an important part of an adut web community. For people who want a literate, enjoyable, sexually and mentally stimulating experience but don't have time or want to bother with searching through lists of names, WGs are a fast and easy alternative. Also for people who are on a strict time schedule or aren't interested in the "hard to get" and "lets talk first" games. WG's would be people who volunteer their time and efforts to make sure YOU receive the stimulation that YOU are looking for. They provide descriptive dialogue to enhance their actions and some will offer video, audio or images. This is why they offer their services for a fee, because majority of the other people out there are only looking out for their own interests.


     Unfortunately there are people who take advantage of this proccess by viewing it as an easy opportunity to make money for free. This is why WGs had a directory to offer potential clients who wanted to "shop" for a potential partner or to learn more about the girl they might be thinking of requesting service from. Experienced WGs also had "tags" or "badges" that made it easier to be identified by others. Some even provide the game administrators "verification" that they are in fact the gender they pose to be online.


     AChat is the tool, WGs would be the people who can show you how to use it to the fullest.I personally believe it would be very difficult to organize WG with the resources we already have. If people are demanding for the option to have a designated group of people who provide exceptional virtual services, then certain changes need to be made available. A few of them I mentioned. Right now, paying someone for these services through gifting will be risky because there is no way of knowing the individual's true intentions. I already know most of the members of this forum would make great WGs. It's that passion for the game, the sensitivity to another person's desires, and the determination to get better and be creative that make a true WG great!

[Bambi_Fawn]

You obviously haven't read the threads in detail to know almost ALL of use COMPLAIN about pay for sex

[apollo13nut]

Oh I must agree with Bambi....I hate girls that only go in a room for A$. That is not the type of game I singed up for. I think ANY girl that demands A$ for sex should be banned, but that's me.

[Adera]

As far as I know the problem is that the working girls are not worth their money, seems like they don't give much in return when in a room. If they did offer a really good experience it might be better.

Sometimes it seems like things have gone so far that the general idea is that men here have to pay for sex with girls, so when a girl is horny for some cock and there are no men around willing to pay she rather asks a shemale to fuck her like some hot blooded stud than take a man for free. It makes me so annoyed when they clearly have no idea what they really want and when they seem to assume that I would jump at the chance to be with them.

[Janine Dee]

Okay Keiko is actually using a digital version of the reasoning that is used when the legalization of RL prostitution is discussed.

Much like a key point of the RL version prostitution IS the worlds oldest profession, and will never just "go away" so with some sort of organization (legalization isn't exactly the right word since it's not illegal on AChat) you could create a professional standard that would include things like NOT soliciting customers, giving a quality of performance once in the room, etc.

Not to mention that if AChat allowed members of this "union" for lack of a better word some sort of official marking there could be a union head (think like a guild head on WoW and the like who could field complaints if members resorted to pulling the crap like some of the prostitutes do now.

The bad prostitutes would be likely be swept either from the system entirely or at least to it's darker corners while the fact that prostitution is here and is going to stay would be addressed in a way that would stop hurting the game for those who don't want to pay them.

[Keiko]

Thanks Janine for helping me clarify my point. To Bambi and Apollo, I am well aware of the opinions most of the members on the forums have about gifting for sex but I wanted to expand on that discussion in a different direction. Yes, I agree that lots of people don't want to pay for sex, but there's a large amount of people who do, otherwise the amount of solicitors wouldn't be so high. And the reason they pay is probably one of those I mentioned above. Prostitution is illegal in real life because of many reasons like risking the spread of stds, human trafficking, abuse, etc. but I classify the work a WG does in a different category since most of the reasons prostitution is illegal isnt a factor for online. It's closer to the category that involves paying to watch strippers or online webcams.


Adera is correct in suggesting that people shouldn't be demanding money for services that anyone else can provide free of cost. But I also believe that if the user feels they can offer a better experience than most other people and they want to charge for it, thats their decision. If you're not interested in paying for those services then you aren't required to.


I was merely suggesting that if there was an organization or union of WG that provide a professional experience compared to what the amatures are offering, perhaps there would be less people attempting to solicit. However I strongly believe the option to gift male users Would be a critical element in helping the process of creating such a union.

[Janine Dee]

Okay, I will admit my bias and say that my views on legal codes was summed up by Alistair Crowley. "As ye harm none do as thou wilt shall be the whole of the law."

It simply states that as long as everyone is a consenting adults their lives are their own damn business, and I think it's the key to a Utopian society.

 Without getting into that any deeper I would encourage people to put a little more thought into it this union, or maybe a Working Girls/Guys Guild, and how it could do real damage to the prostitution problem. Since I don't think any of us ever see it just going away this may be a more pragmatic way of bringing it under control.

For Keiko, if you are serious you could even do some organizing without waiting for AChat endorsement. It could be as simple as keeping an external web page with the handles of those who have proven their talents/taken a oath of conduct. All members could be expected to have a link in their profiles.

Have a contact button to an email you set up for those who have complaints.

Flesh the page out with notice that they have been tested on their ability to satisfy in a room, and maybe put up an official code of conduct that each member swore to, and you should be set.

AFTER what could be a long, and rather disturbing screening process.

[Cats]

i dunno what the fuss is about but keiko has a good idea and.

if girls want to charge ppl it is there choise u aint forced to go with them that is all up to u. so if they charge men and they are willing to pay/gift it is up 2 them. u dont have to have rules and condusct on what u will swear. if they are rlly that bad they wont have clients anyway.
now i kno most countries dont alow prostitution . but where i live it is leagal and well it is also good that they are there u get less rapes.

and it can be anoying i know but for a fact ppl seem to do it or they would take it of .but if u look good it mostly involves pictures or vids where they ask gifts for . now maybe i am not sutch a believer  in those things it is not hard to down a small vid and change a name or a picture for tht mather .

all i do know if if they want it let them if they dont get friends they will change it  because achat is no fun then.

[Janine Dee]

Cats dear, the problem is that some of the hookers will get people into the room, take A$, and then not perform, or demand more to perform, or put in a performance that will be equal to or worse then Robot Girl.

Those types will be able to keep doing what they are doing perpetually because there is no central authority to it. All they have to do is find someone who is still willing to go into a room with them.

It's like the old saying "There's a sucker born every minute."

If a central body was created that says "We have a list of people who will be worth your while." Then those substandard types will have even more trouble finding people to scam as most will opt for the tried and true list.

Though the maintainers of that list would want to demand screencaps so customers will have to prove actual dissatisfaction rather then just causing trouble.

[Adera]

I just get annoyed when they come bothering me one way or another... though it makes me laugh when they're so clueless that they ask me to pay for it.

[Keiko]

     I really appreciate your  support and feedback for this idea. I read your suggestion early this morning, Janine, about the possibility to organize an unofficial WG guild. I've been thinking hard about what it would take to Create a professionally organized and fully functioning WG community.


     A couple important things I agree with you that is needed would be a thorough application process, a web page displaying information about WG and a list of the workers along with a brief bio and reviews. However there are few things that would make it difficult.

• 1. Poses - I would suggest a WG should have complete access to all the poses. this alone would be worth the price since a complete set if poses is pretty expensive.
• 2. Gifting for Guys - Since this option is currently not available it would limit the WGs to females and shemales only. I knew a lot of great WGs who were guys. I believe there is a big demand for talented guys just as much as girls.
• 3. Limited Description Space - I can barely fit more than just a few words in The description box provided on our profiles. I think the option for bigger descriptions needs to be available.
  
  
       I think the potential is there. It would just be a long, demanding process to make accurate so it would be worth people's time and money. It would be so nice if we had the support from the Dev. Team. A specific search button for WGs only or even a special badge icon to prevent posers or copycats from fooling anyone. That would prevent anyone with the intention of gifting for pleasure from getting ripped off.
  
  
       The Dev Team Could even profit from this financially. For  example, If a WG didn't have access to all the poses, maybe they can rent them for an added fee per month. Or pay a little extra to have their profile featured at the top/front for a week.
  
  
       I think I might be getting carried away by my imagination lol. I guess that essentially the first step would be to hear more opinions. I've been a proud WG for 2 years. It was fun but it was challenging too. True WGs didn't discriminate who they offered services to. Some people can be difficult to deal with but as long as they don't get overly abusive or vulgar, we just endured through it. Prices were never set by any one single person. Everyone had their own rates according to their strengths and weaknesses. Maybe I should get a poll started? And a question for Adera and the guys: Do these girls actually message you trying to get you to pay for their services?

[Adera]

Its happened a few rare times that someone has contacted me and then told me to pay, I was mostly surprised that they thought I would even consider paying them. Though most of them approach me with a subtle line like "Fuck me!".

[Unhealer]

my issues with hookers are mostly the ones that jump out at my face, like how they pop up in the front of the search all the fucking time. how they will solicit me without me saying a word to them, and how it seems to be some shifty shit with a boy or something. it seems completely illogical to me that a giant ass chunk of chicks are homo on the game, it seems even more illogical that homo chicks will fuck guys if they pay... what does seem logical is the idea that most guys playing as girls would be lesbians because they dont want to be gay or something

[Janine Dee]

While all the ideas for official recognition are nice I'm thinking it putting in a serious effort so they know they wouldn't be doing all that coding only to have things break down in a week and a half would make it more likely.

#1. An external webpage that has an easy to navigate to name where the screened Worker's are listed. The list then linking to the individual workers page where they would have room for all the stuff they would put in their profile if they had the room. The workers would have the main list page on their profiles to help counter people creating mock versions of approved profile pages to get people to surf directly to.

As an aside having email addresses for each Worker to schedule appointments would be a very good idea.

#2. Open a thread where everyone can air their problems with the current crop of un-screened workers.

#3. Open another thread where they would talk about their expectations. ( I already really like your idea about them being expected to have all the poses.)

#4. Use the results of those threads to make a definite code that the Workers will swear to, and if someone takes screen caps of a Worker violating it they can get removed from the Worker's list.

#5. Start interviews.

#1 could probably be left for a bit, to make sure you can find a suitable crop of workers, but it would literally be the foundation of the enterprise so it should probably be getting pieced together as you go. Again, put something together to show it's a serious possibility, then start looking for possible badges/adding collective voices to the request for male gifting/ranking in the lists.

I honestly agree with your idea and am willing to help make it happen. Not sure how I could do as I worker since I don't sleep with guys, but on an administrative level feel free to keep me in mind.

[Bear]

Its happened a few rare times that someone has contacted me and then told me to pay, I was mostly surprised that they thought I would even consider paying them. Though most of them approach me with a subtle line like "Fuck me!".

Ah, and they said romance is dead around here.

Well being one who never pays for it, I will simply chime in an organized consortium makes sense, though it will take effort to from someone to manage and deal with the issues that will pop up. Things are fairly haphazard around here, guess if one has gotten themselves into a position where they have to pay for it...

It's a simple fact of the nature of human beings, and though I don't particularly care for the crowd who expect payment.. hmm wonder if I should  start up a gigolo service?