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Support => Quick-Start Guides => Topic started by: Janine Dee on April 18, 2010, 12:33:15 PM
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Last night I met a newbie, and I took her under my wing to help her understand the *ahem* ins and outs of AChat. I soon realized however that I had said it all before to other newbies, and it was a lot of typing. So I realized I could start a thread here. Maybe the development team could use it for a new Quick-Start, and even if they don't when we find newbies we could direct them here.
#1. The only thing you should ever do to another person without giving them some sort of indication is "Select to Chat".
While you aren't promised a response I've yet to hear of anyone getting angry over a hello. Many however will get angry if you try to invite them into rooms without asking, AND getting their permission first.
#2. Take a few seconds to fill out your profile, and to read theirs.
Straight guys are going to be wasting their time with homo women, and vice versa. Many times a few seconds worth of reading will let you know if you have odds of getting laid, or just getting ignored.
Profiles will also help you know what you might want to do to get them to talk to you, and what might lead them to put you on their ignore list.
#3. You aren't OWED anything.
No one is obligated to go with you to a room (except RobotBoy and RobotGirl.) No one is even obligated to talk to you. If you act like they are chances are your going to have them demonstrate how they are not by ignoring you. It is up to you to convince them to WANT to talk or room with you.
I'll add more as I think of them, and I hope everyone else does too.
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Very good idea Janine to post this thread. Sadly not enough people read the quick start guide. Hopefully guiding them to this thread will help. BUT i see 1 small issue with it. A major part of people not understanding and/or reading such info like forums or even profiles in game is the "language barrier" Unless these notes and profiles were readable in the 10 basic world languages there will always be some people slipping threw the gaps. But a better education to new people is needed. I have helped at times people that have had questions. Im glad i can send them to a post they can read to save me guiding them.
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The language barrier is obviously as issue, but one I have no idea how to circumvent, but that does give another idea.
#4. Keep in mind the language barrier.
If you are a native speaker of English that doesn't mean they are, and if you aren't a native English speaker you aren't obligated to be. Hopefully you can work out some means of communication, but if not that's nobodies fault.
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Very good idea, Janine!
The only thing, this topic would be better in support - titled just "Quick-start guide"
In some weeks this topic will be on page 2,3 or 4... And no newbie will find. Maybe Tom or Rab can change this?
To the language problem - maybe we find some people for the main languages? As an example, I could write this in German. We have good French people here, English and I also think Russian. So, if the A-Team accept, everyone who wanna help us can write here?
Lover
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That's a good point Lover. Can we move it or does the development team have to?
As far as languages... I would love to see everything we come up with translated. There could be a multitude of threads. "Quick Start (English)" "Quick Started (German)" "Quick Start (French)"
This way we can take an active hand in making a better AChat.
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Hi Janine,
I think we have 2 possibilities. The A-Team can move (we can't) or we start this topic new in the support-area. Maybe this is the better way, we can start completely new, without our answers. Similar to the roleplay-topic. One explaination and then the pure guide?
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Thats a great idea Janine... Maybe if there are some people that are common languages that could assist someone in translating the guide into a few basic languages and have them posted in a certain area as you speak of we can reach more people here... NOW the hard part is to get these people to use and read forums. Seems to be a small handful of the same people accessing here. Would be nice to see more people accessing forums.
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Well Angel sweetie the idea would be that we could direct them to it, have them read it, and then go from there.
For Lover, I would say that we could keep this here while we hammer out all the ideas, find translators, etc and THEN post the finished version (s).
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To all:
Lets find a way to get help from people in other languages; maybe a question in our description?
To lead newbies to this topic: Is it possible to make a tip for the first 5 logins? A sentence like "Please fisit this forum/link first"
Hello A-Team, is this possible? Please answer
Yes, Janine, lets collect first and then write "clean".
Lover
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At this point I'm working from the idea that when someone tells us they are new we as veteran users can simply say "Have you read the User Made Quick Start yet?" Maybe explain what it is, but basically point them here so they can know how not to make an ass of themselves.
If the development team wants to put it to greater use that would be wonderful, but my plan was to go ahead with it on our end, and let them decide what part they may wish to play later.
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Hi Janine,
to your first point: I would say it "stronger":
"Don't do cold invites! This means do not invite people to room before talking to them. Most user don't like this and will not react. And a lot user will put you onto their ignore list." Then followed by your testify.
#5. You don't have any idea? Just take a look around and read other avatars. And you may ask other people; most are friendly and will help you.
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I agree with #5 entirely.
On toughening up #1's language, they probably wouldn't know the term cold invite... but we could use something like after "AND getting their permission first."
"Otherwise it's called a "Cold Invite" and is considered VERY rude. At best they won't react, but many will put you on their ignore list."
We'll definitely want to clean up #1 for the final draft.
#6. If at first you don't succeed reconsider trying.
While this doesn't mean give up, if a person declines an invite you should talk to them first before firing off a second (or third, or fourth) invite. Now this doesn't mean they don't want to talk to you. It could simply mean that they are either busy, or even away from the computer, and all you are doing is giving them reason to not want to talk to/room with you.
Be patient, give them time to reply, it increases your odds of actually getting a response.
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Yes, I thought about the term "cold invite". I hoped, my statement would explain it. Of course, we will check everything before finish it.
#6 we have to talk about. If you read "don't give up if a person declines" and "talk to... BEFORE firing off a second..." they can understand the first cold invite is ok. Sure, point 1 says "Don't do" but they read this some minutes ago... (This doesn't mean they are silly; but most simply forget)
Maybe change to "If you don't get an answer after starting to talk (or... after chatting) wait a little. Now this doesn't mean they don't want to talk to you. It could simply mean that they are either busy, or even away from the computer, and all you are doing is giving them reason to not want to talk to/room with you.
Be patient, give them time to reply, it increases your odds of actually getting a response."
#7. Be yourself. The best way to have real fun is to be as natural as possible. Of course this might be a way to check fantasies you never would do in real the best way to find nice people is ebing natural.
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You are right Lover. This is a quick start guide and it's better to assuming nothing, repeat as much as needed (like no cold invites what so ever) then assume they would remember.
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hi my friends ... Its really a good idea
as an addition to no. 7 .... treat people as you want to be treated ... dont harm people ... you will both enjoy.
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hi ;)
great work ... i could translate this into german if you release a final version of this guide
regards himmi
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just an advice for the development team ...
I really think a short guide like this will help to improve the acceptance and the quality of chatting behaviour in this game. This is important for the user community and the developement team as well. Without acceptance there are less premium accounts to be sold ... disappointed users might think about leaving this community... which means a lack of potentionally nice friends ... and a lack of money to be spend on this.
Its a good starting point to collect develop and discuss this information in here. Even thoughts related to translations are helpful.
But I dont think it will be helpful to locate this information in this forum. Unfortunately there are too less people in here. Only the ones who are already interested in improving this wonderful game - and they might not need this information....
IMHO .... this really helpful information should be located on the sixth page of the help screen in the game. It will be very easy for users like us to help newbies to find their way in this nice game.
And as a personal note ... for me ... its even more than just a game ... Thanks a lot for developing and improving it!
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reconsidering my last advice ... I have to put it into perspective.
A better way to publish this kind of helpful information will be different. Thoughts about publishing it on a website are great. To play this game, you have to be online, so there is no reason for putting it into the help screen as fixed information.
However the help scrren should have a hint and a link to the main page of this guide. The main page will need links to subpages with translated information for each language we are able to create. Its important to mention on the help screen that this guide is developed and in sole responsibility of this community and not in responsibility of the developement team to prevent them from liability in case of malpractice.
There are possibilities in using this forum for publishing it. BUT ... we have to use the first thread only to release it and improve it by working it over and over again. No following threads will be useful for this.
I was thinking about its usability ... and we need a fixed account in here who is responsible for updating this kind of information. This account has to be handed over to a new responsibility when the main user is leaving.
I really like this community. Brainstorming with you is great.
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Yes Sandra, we thought about a possibility to give new users this information. As you say, most don't come around here - and then it's almost too late. So a tip, a permanent link or an insertion for the first x times you login could be a solution.
And of course, after we finished this guide it must be an board possible under support.
I also thought about an own board for different languages. Not only the guide, also for simple questions. We have a french connection here and Corvus will translate to Russian. So why not a German board? A Romanian?
But I think it's better to ask this in an own topic. What do you think Sandra?
Lover
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hi lover,
I made experiences with many other boards so far ... and due to the fact that the main software is built in english the main structure in here should use this language as well.
Other language options might follow .... but the concentration and publishing of information will be more difficult.
I dont think we should discuss this topic in this thread... its leading into different directions.
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To bring it back on topic... are there any other do's or don'ts that we can think of?
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heyho ppl :)
lover gave me a german "beta" version of the guide ... it was correct so far and i simply added #7 (thought it was good hehe)
so now we just need nr. 7 in good english hehe
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#7. Use the search-funktion. If you only wanna find people from your home country (because your english or whatever is bad) click on "Partner Search" and fill your home country in the "Country" field. Achat will filter the members and will show you the members who have the searched country in there profile
regards himmi
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hallo Himmi !
i'll try to translate it into French ;)
lol
Nicoquin.
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I want to give my personal gratitude to all those who have aided this project. With ideas, with translations, with your sharing of perspectives. It has made this a "User Made" Quick Start guide made by users who truly love AChat and want to see it flourish.
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We just finished the Quick-Start Guide. You can find it here http://www.funnyadultgamesplay.com/forum/index.php/topic,364.msg3127.html#msg3127 (http://www.funnyadultgamesplay.com/forum/index.php/topic,364.msg3127.html#msg3127)
If you think something is missing add it here or send a personal note to Janine Dee or to Lover.
We still are searching for people who can translate into other languages, especially Italy,Russian, Romanian, Spain... Call us or reply here please.
I also say thanks for your support, your ideas and your encouragement.
Lover
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I have a small problem that I have not seen addressed.
I am color blind.
That means I can not see the difference in the color of the small circle in the upper left corner.
I think it indicates the online status of the user.
I can live with it but think there may be many others who have the same problem.
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Yes old_goat, there are three different colours actually:
Red = User is offline
Green = User is online and neither in room nor has set state to busy (means ready to chat)
Yellow = User is in room or has set state to busy
Do you have a red-green blindness or are you color-blind at all? To avoid troubles with online/offline people you can use search just for online members, but you might not be able to differ if the user is green or yellow then.
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Thanks for the help on the color codes.
My problem is red - green
Will work around it.
Just takes a little longer to work thru the lists.