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Discussions about AChat => Share your creative ideas => Topic started by: TightFit74 on February 29, 2012, 02:02:30 PM
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Over a period of several months, we have noticed new members flocking the forum. The influence of the forum is significantly growing and more and more members use it to vent their opinions, suggestions and ideas about the game and the relationships born here. This makes the forum alive and a lot of initiatives have been born. To mention a few: the story contest, the nspd rp that spans over more as just Achat and an active involvement in threads, development ideas the A-team pitched to us.
For a big part this is the doing of the members of this forum, that direct new members here, even advertise the forum in-game. There is a lot of passion for the forum and the game amongst the members, and that is something that contributes to the game, without any other suggestions. The potential for a wonderful, open community can be recognised in the ideas and suggestions posted, and the replies that are offered.
In the past few months however, a big change in the forum is noticed. The way it is used, how members behave themselves, how the forum is (not) moderated. Where in the past the forum was an open place for people to share their opinions, pose their questions and suggest ideas to the community and the development team, it has now turned into a heap of rubbish posts and mindless banter. Sometimes it seems, the forum is used as a general chat. But this is not the character of a forum. The chat is placed in the game or if not possible, please use the Off-Topic board for it
When I joined the forum, I asked questions about a feature that was installed and then removed again without any sign or info. When I posed my question on forum, I was welcomed warmly and discovered that people were eager to engage in a discussion, in a very respectful way. In the first year I was there, hardly anything happened on forum that was worth moderating. There have been some incidents of course, but the forum had a self-moderating function. Members were not afraid to tap each other on the shoulder if a post gave motive.
Besides the friendly atmosphere, members were eager to contribute their own idea and tried to build on a suggestion to form a well thought- out idea. There are plenty of examples for that and you’d be surprised how many of these suggestions have found a way into the game. I also feel people were more disciplined to stay on topic, less easily seduced to wander off in the playfulness the forum can sometimes evoke. The number of posts saying: "OK guys, back to topic", are numerous.
Though the warm welcome is still there on the forum and within the first replies to a member there is some help extended, the self-regulating mechanism has mostly gone. Mainly because of the overload of topics in some sections of the forum, it is hard to extend help, but all too often I see a form of disrespect towards the ideas of new, and older members.
The reasons? A few I can name off the top of my head. An overload of replies that have no connection to the topic posted. Where to start? Remarks to indicate a reply or post has a negative sound to it, are often seen as a personal attack instead of a hint to be nicer to each other. This overload of banter does make it hard for members to read about a topic posted. If 2 in 8 posts actually have something to do with the topic, the desire to read it all, quickly disappears.
Where members before were actively contributing to topics, we often see one-line replies that say someone agrees or disagrees.. All wonderful but in all honesty, if the writer of the thread wanted only a yes or no, a poll would be sufficient. A forum is intended to share ideas, viewpoints, perspectives.
But my main concern about the evolution of the forum, is a kind of disrespect I find all too often in posts. Up to a point where a thread made ridiculous because it had no point in the eyes of other members. It is fine to not be interested or see the thread as a mute point, the question being, if you have to share that. There is no obligation to reply to a post, but I see little restraint with members, as if there is a competition who will have most posts in the shortest time.
Over the past 2-3 months, and maybe it has started even before that, the forum has turned into a heap of threads and topics that have been cluttered with off-topic replies, making it a Sisyphus-task to go through them all. The question is, how can we expect the development team to take us serious if we don’t take ourselves serious? When an idea is hidden between a repetition of off-topic posts you find in all threads nowadays, don’t expect the Dev-team to go digging for it.
And with mentioning the development team, or better, AChat, they have a task in keeping the forum professional as well. The way it looks now, it seems like a jungle, where every new member is almost certain to get lost. In the last year or so, only a few new sections have been created (and fought for very hard), but within the sections there has been brought no order or categorizing. Most of them are a mish-mash of different subjects, some unique, some overlapping, too many ideas posted before but lost in the chaos in most parts of the forum.
Besides keeping the forum clean and organized, there has been little direction in which direction AChat wants this forum to develop. As it is part of the website and the forum is moderated (to an extent), it is part of the professional ‘face’ of the organization. And it looks uncared for. I would expect from a professional organization to look a little further as only for posts and threads that threaten the commercial position of the game, and are flat out against rules and regulations impeded by authorities.
For healthy growth of a forum, it should contain to-the-point threads and topics discussed with precision. The forum should be a guide to the developers and new members. It's important to note that new members to the forum and the developers should be able to easily read through a couple pages of a thread in a few minutes and feel confident about the direction of a discussion. Longer threads rarely attract the attention of new members or developers since the amount of reading is too time consuming to get caught up.
It's important to have fun but it's also important to realize the responsibility we all have to keep the forum professional in appearance and in subject matter. And so with respect and courtesy, we should keep each other more strictly accountable with our posts to ensure the quality and life of the forum.
How a forum should function:
I. When creating a new thread A. Verify that a duplicate thread of the same topic does not already exist.
B. The title of the thread clearly summarizes the topic being discussed.
C. It is created within the appropriate themed board.
II. When posting in a thread.
A. Keep messages on topic. Off topic conversations should not exceed
2 or 3 posts.
B. The message should contribute to the growth of the topic's
discussion.
C. For discussions, suggestions, ideas, questions and opinions, make
your point clear and support it with your reasons.
D. If replying to a message directed towards you, or that does not
relate to the core discussion of the topic, be respectful to the
thread's author and to the progress of the current discussion.
(Refer to "A.")
E. Posting images should be kept to a minimum.
1. They slow downloading time between pages.
2. An image is not necessary if words will suffice.
3. if posting an image is necessary, adjust the height and
width too, keep it small, or provide a link.
F. Utilize the "Modify" button to edit your post
1. When you want to change/adjust/add to your statement.
2. Reduces the amount of posts and repetition from the same
member.
3. Prevents double-posts.
The forum has been, since its start, always an open ‘playground’ for members, where we could do and want as we pleased, moderation hardly there, except for what was moderated by members. It has now become a cluttered mess, which is the cause of all parties. It is for us to decide what kind of forum. And it seems clear what we want. And so it is now becoming your choice, your decision. What kind of forum do you want to participate with, contribute to. As it is hopefully made clear, contributing, for the benefit of the game and all of it’s members, is what a forum is all about.
Tightfit74, Keiko, Lover, Janine Dee, Adera & Bear
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Now lets all take a deep breath before we get emotional. This has been well thought out and developed by a group if people taking into account the best interests for the future of the forum. (Names of those within the council are marked in green at the bottom of the post.)
No one is directly responsible. This affects everyone equally. Please voice your concerns or questions, we would be happy to address them logically.
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Blue, if you talk talk to Tight in person, please know that he posted it, but he is not the one and only who wrote it.
Our intention is to discuss about the way the forum is going... and if this is the best way. We think, there is a better way if we want to get heared by the A-Team, if we want to stay a big family for all members and if we use this forum to help, to support each other and at least start discussion, which are good in respect of content.
That means, of course you may agree or disagree with some ideas, but you (and I don't mean you in person) cannot attack people, just because they don't share your opinions and beliefs.
Nobody said something towards your post, when you told new members there is an existing thread about it. I gladly have read it every time.
So I think it was a good idea to delete something of your post. Please calm down and reread it once more. I hope you find many truth in it and then we can start an honest, but friendly discussion.
Rukya, this applies to you, too. I just added same time as you and Keiko, so it's more written to blue.
Lover
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Listen I know you meant good with that post but put your self in our shoes, yes our shoes coz I consider my self one of those that spoils thread sometimes and get carried away, seems more like a personal attack then an idea. Especially when you say you ( you all ) have some names in mind.
I'm sorry but those people that you want to bring to order are the same people that comments and discuss most of the idea piched in here, even if it is only a funny joke or comment, keeps the discussion alive and bring people to read it. Now if you wanna clean all the threads just say so I will delete all the spoils and stupid posts I made but think about this too: all the ideas piched never gets 1 comment from dev team and after a few commeting posts if we go off topic you can't really blame us for being playfull, I like everyone on here exactly the way they are and I don't want them to change. So if you want more order why don't you ask dev team to assign each one of you as moderator to a specific section, that way you can exercise your wish to keep order with a higher support.
Frankly latley every new idea that has been piched didn't get much attention or costructive comments so how are we supposed to keep on topic after an idea has been piched and not commented at all? If you want a single or few posts threads, no problem I won't write anything if I don't have something reallu usefull to say.
You want more order and clean threads, ok I don't disagree with that but find a solution or explain your wishes without pointing fingers like you did in your initial post here, cause it really looks like you pointed fingers to those who keep wrinting here every day, and I can write the name of each one of them but we already know who you're referring to.
Now to be clear I'm not offended but I felt personally attacked and so did blue and Rukya it seems, so next time you wanna comunicate something as a "council", that's how you called your self, try taking in consideration the effect of your words on our feelings cause I can assure you that in the next few days you won't be seeing much activity here, not untill waters calm down.
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ok, i had read it, think on it and agree whit most of the tings you had write. i know i have my part in this and i admit it.
I know how hard can be to make a forum work and mod it can be a pain if you try do it in the right way. under this point of view we are lucky, so this is why we usually tend to go off topic.
I can say this:
- it will be reaaaaally good to respect the subsection we have, so it will be easy to have the information you are looking at whitout so much off topic
- about pic, depend on the use you wanna do of them. yes, there are some pics really needless (my fault agian), but sometimes i use them for some fun or tease too (talking about the pics dedicated to Blue and NG).
but....couse there is a but........
some future poll are getting to long and no new idea are coming out from users and some suggested poses tend to start our fanttasy run and sometimes an answer, a joke is naturally (we are human and we can think, thanks God!). it's right try to limit it, but pretending i move my "jokke, fantasy or whatelse" to another tread (using the quote) can be frustrating and make other peoples loose the sense of it (i know, probably there is no meaning sometimes)
aaand, sometimes we tend to go off topic when a tread is getting a little long.....for me, sometimes is a way to make it a little light and to take a breath when the topic it's a bit to heavy, talking about subject and answer
It's okay to have some rules (everything need them!) but no one can say "i'm allways right, do as i wan!". it's on all of us to try to stay in the right way.
after this, i think i don't have more to say, just this: be polite, ok, respect, ok, use the right section, ok, but don't pretend to cut off peoples liberty....just moderate it when needed
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Overall, the "COUNCIL" has a Valid point. The forum needs to become a place where information being sought for, can become easily found... Am I right? Yes, I am guilty of spraying grafitti too... But it's meant in jest, and with little or no seriousness to it. Nuf Said.
How can the forum become better? well, why not have someone go through the seemingly botomless pitt of older posts, and archive what is either in need of being closed, or so sadly out of date that it really, really should be archived. Now keep in mind, that I said "ARCHIVE" not "TRASH". That is a separate issue. Trash should just go in the bin and be done with it. Nuf Said.
ok. I have been on a good many forums in the past, and a number I was asked to leave, and a number of others I left of my own accord, and under my own speed. whether peeps wish to stay or to go, is up to them. No one is going to hold someone's hand and show them the door. Nor do I expect anyone to be running ahead to stop peeps from leaving either. We're all adults here, (or at least we all better be thnking like adults), so lets all spread around huggles and stop giving one another proverbial black eyes.
okie... my ranting is now done, I have returned to my inner peace once again and left my winchester in the rifle rack. Let's move on to providing a suggestion or two, or three on how to make the forum a wee bit better. (look above for mine, did I hide it well enough?)
MWAH!
AZRIELLE
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This is the main reason I left the forum, I cant post anything without someone getting pissed. I thought I had some good friends in the forum and I still think I do, but for some reason they think they are the bosses here. I will remove every image i have ever put on here. stsrting right now. I will not post anything unless it pertains to the topic, however I probably wont be on here again.
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Ok I hope Im "on topic" I have removed all of my pics that do not relate to the "topic" I also removed the banner and pic from my posts to clean it up for you. I will continue to post on here if I have something meaningful to say.
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I am truly disappointed by the emotionally aggressiveness and hostility towards us by a few of you. We are only suggesting rules that will help preserve the quality and future of the forum. You presume we want to ruin everyone's fun for our own selfish gain. I then ask you, what will we lose by establishing some basic rules? If you want the forum to stay the way it is, ungoverned by rules or regulations, how will it improve in the future? If you have a compelling argument, then I encourage you to bring it forward. We are concerned with the welfare of the forum. If you love the forum and want to see it be a guiding light to newcomers, then help us. We only want to see the forum be the best source of information and idea gathering as much as possible. I use the term "Council" loosely because some might assume we think of ourselves more superior than others and that is not true.
I'm sorry but those people that you want to bring to order are the same people that comments and discuss most of the idea piched in here, even if it is only a funny joke or comment, keeps the discussion alive and bring people to read it.
We appriciate the comments and ideas that everyone brings to the forum. And an occasional joke/funny comment in light of the subject is fine. It's not a terrible thing for a thread to go quiet after it has been exhausted of discussion points because in the future, a new update, a curious new member, or some other idea may bring it back to life exactly where the discussion was left off. But if the underlying topic gets lost within 5 or 6+ pages of "daily mischief" then the core message is lost and most members who have opinions on that topic tend to simply create a new thread because the old one has gotten too long and difficult to read.
all the ideas piched never gets 1 comment from dev team and after a few commeting posts if we go off topic you can't really blame us for being playfull,
We think the forum is a great place to have fun and share experiences with fellow members and there are specific places set aside for that reason. However there are important topics that require a bit more discretion and professionalism. The dev team is more likely going to read a topic that is discussing the possibility of an idea seriously than multiple pages of teasing and personal playfulness.
So if you want more order why don't you ask dev team to assign each one of you as moderator to a specific section, that way you can exercise your wish to keep order with a higher support.
I personally have many ideas to help improve the functionality of the forum which I plan to share in the future. We are all passionate about the forum. Proof is in how long we've been members and been devoted to posting in the forum. We wouldn't make these kinds of suggestions if we knew it was going to hurt the growth of the forum.
Frankly latley every new idea that has been piched didn't get much attention or costructive comments so how are we supposed to keep on topic after an idea has been piched and not commented at all?
A high percentage of new threads created by new members have been duplicates of suggestions and ideas made before, and fairly recently too, within a few months. Instead of wasting time repeating the same discussion that was in the previous thread, it's been helpful to direct them to bump or read the older thread. Again, it's not necessary to feel obligated to keep a thread alive if it has served it's purpose for the time being. Focus your attention on threads that could use more input and ideas.
find a solution or explain your wishes without pointing fingers like you did in your initial post here, cause it really looks like you pointed fingers to those who keep wrinting here every day.
The solution is following some simple guidelines to help improve the forum. If you have a better solution, I would love to hear what you suggest. As I said before, we've all been guilty of being extra playful, some more than others but no one is being singled out.
about pic, depend on the use you wanna do of them. yes, there are some pics really needless (my fault agian), but sometimes i use them for some fun or tease too (talking about the pics dedicated to Blue and NG).
A moderate/minimal use of pictures can still be helpful in the right situations. They just require a bit more attention so it doesn't stall the loading time of the page or the length of the page. Adjusting the size or providing a link if the picture is directed to an individual would be helpful. That way, for those who aren't interested in the picture, they can skip over it easily.
some future poll are getting to long and no new idea are coming out from users and some suggested poses tend to start our fanttasy run and sometimes an answer, a joke is naturally
It's fine to make the occasional joke but sometimes that joke then leads to another joke, which leads to yet another joke. Pretty soon, we have 2 full pages of joking before someone tries to discuss the topic again. If we make a playful joke or comment, we need to try and not give into the temptation to let it snowball out of control.
It's okay to have some rules (everything need them!) but no one can say "i'm allways right, do as i wan!". it's on all of us to try to stay in the right way. be polite, ok, respect, ok, use the right section, ok, but don't pretend to cut off peoples liberty....just moderate it when needed
We don't want to make members afraid to post for fear that they might break a rule or make someone upset. We just want to keep the forum respectable. The rules we suggested should be adequate enough to give members the freedom to express themselves about a topic in any way they want while still being respectful to the forum.
when hentai , medjai and me was little out of topic in the 3some poses one , what happened ? Someone was agressive with big red words , and after this , Medjai have proposed a 3some pose based on our off topic discution . This mean that be off topic can be good.
An off-topic discussion shouldn't require a JOLT like a defibrillator to bring it back on topic. It would be easier to inspire more ideas when you are able to clearly read the preceding ideas.
How can the forum become better? well, why not have someone go through the seemingly botomless pitt of older posts, and archive what is either in need of being closed, or so sadly out of date that it really, really should be archived.
I agree, old threads with voluble discussions should be preserved because there is always a possibility someone may feel compelled to go back and bring it back to life with new, fresh ideas.
ok. I have been on a good many forums in the past, and We're all adults here, (or at least we all better be thnking like adults), so lets all spread around huggles and stop giving one another proverbial black eyes.
I have been an active member of many forums myself. This is the most relaxed forum I've been apart of so far. There have been a few where new members were required to post 20 times before having authorization to create a new thread. I think we should be proud to have members who would gladly volunteer their time and effort to try and suggest positive ways trying to improve the experiences of their fellow members on the forum. And I am all for spreading around the huggles :)
I presume the rest of the council would agree with me but they have voices of their own and I expect they will express their own opinions. To those of you who responded in a rational and civilized way, I thank-you. Please understand that we only want to help. The truth might seem harsh but if you can view our stance from a logical standpoint, you should hopefully understand we had no other alternative but to approach the situation this way.
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Wow. Just ... Wow.
I don't understand why some of the replies suggest the respondent has been named or is being attacked. The initial post is fairly politic, and in my opinion, offered reasonable suggestions for how to treat the forums in future.
All one needs do is look at the posts about clothing, or poses that turn into one-line flirt fests to see that things get out of hand easily. I'm guilty as well. On more than one occasion I've wished that the threads could be cleaned up to the pertinent posts. Yes, that would mean dropping my flirts and cutesie responses, but when I go back looking for information, wading through the bloat of banter and teasing is tiresome.
I do understand that the forums should also have room for playful banter and I think a place for such would assist in keeping threads on topic. Keeping the play and teasing in an OT thread, designed for that very thing; an anything goes page, so to speak, would be a good idea. I suggest we call that thread "Entice Me" and we treat it as the VR equivalent of a local pub. In this thread you may: tease, flirt, dork around, tell jokes, gossip, hell talk about clothes or sports .... if you must. Only thing you can't do is a scene, we have rooms or the erotica board for that.
Ok, seriously, last edit. ::)
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I realize that things get off topic quickly and that the "council" had some good points. What has made us mad is that it was put in this post like we are a bunch of unruly schoolchildren that have to be punished by the head master. I think I can say that if we were addresed as equals and not looked down on no feelings would have gotten hurt. But the "either my way or its wrong" approach has alienated some users. I wont say who, but I was approached by a user and was told that they wouldnt be on either in achat or the forum for a long while. So you get what you want, you can have the stale forum back. Im sorry if my comments offend, I feel that this is a personal attack on some of us. As far as the posts of ideas that have been suggested before. How are we as the new members spposed to know that, Go back and read all the posts?
It just seems like no one is happy, you want poses and items, and when you get them you bitch about them saying they could do better. I say the dev team has done a hell of a job givng us what we ask for and should be commended instead of ridiculed. You asked for a busy button, you got it, altho I dont use it cause i have friends that have lost their memberships and I still want to talk to them. The slider for speed is a great improvement, I use it everyday.
I guess I can speak for some of those not in the "council" when I say, we have had our feelings hurt. You are no better than us, we brought fresh ideas here, but now cause we had some fun we are riduculed. I hope that tensions will ease over time, but there needs to be some of the better than us mentality dropped out of the wording. I have no doubt that the members of the council have the best intentions, but, and I will only speak for me, your wording was piss poor.
And yes I will sign this Bonnie Butler (NewGurl)
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At first I almost didn't read the post, I mean "Forum Etiquette 101" thought it was going to be a simple break down of just that .... forum etiquette.
Over the last four months, give or take I have met some really nice and interesting people here. And one of the things I love about Achat, and the forums is the overall relaxed and friendly nature of things.
What the "council" is trying to say makes sense up to a point, it is important to maintain some sort of "order" and layout on the forums. But that being said the way and in which the message was carried across was down right self righteous and leaves a bad taste in the mouth.
It is one thing to have the community and forums best interests at heart, but seriously think before you jump on your high horse next time. The same message, with better word consideration ( hell even leaving out some comments ) could have worked a lot better ... without alienating people.
I am relatively new here, but felt like I had to voice my opinion on this ....
Jacques.
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I know I'm not flawless, I flirt around a lot here, but there is a time and place for it. Some personal banter is inevitable and welcomed (by me :P), but when the banter takes over a thread where discussion about something is expected and especially a sticky made by AChat themselves I think it's gone too far.
Imo DemonXXX outburst in the Enter THREESOME pose idea to be developed thread is completely justified, he asked a question regarding the topic but that question was completely ignored in favor for another page of personal banter.
Is that how we want things to be in a thread that is relatively important to AChat? Does someone have to scream out loud to get things back on track?
What happened in that thread made me want to sign this, I think it was very rude to completely ignore his on-topic question and just continue flooding the thread. If someone might've had something to say to his question that person would very likely have missed his question completely.
I also think it's rude to question the reason and validity of a topic and the author of it after it has created an interesting discussions between users here at the forum. If your genuinely curious then go read the first page of the thread, the first post usually tells you who, what and why.
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ok, Adera, i had allways try to be polite, calm, not aggressive in my life and i tend to do it here too. i have no problem to admit my fault and i don't have problem to stay on topic from now on, but i wan to tell you a thing about DemonXXX request about the threesome poll: yes, i would answer him at the begin, but then i think "hey, i'm not in the dev-team, so what can i say!? just "dunno, ask Susy" and, all will be honest, no one of us users have the answer he is looking at, only Susy or Tom have. so wich type of answer we can give him!? a big "BHO!", that's all! i prefer to don't write when i can't help someone.
so, ok, he is right about all that off topic, but he can do it in a different way, whitout using big red letters, a clear sign of speeking loud in internet language. he had caught the attention, but in the wrong way and of the wrong peoples!
after this, my friends, i can say a last thing: Rukya, NG, Blue.......please, don't leave the forum and stop deleting message and pic, what was done, was done, from now on we all (the council too) hav to work togheter for create a better forum, whit a serious area for discussion about achat, new stuff, comment the esisting stuff and another where we are more free to joke, tease and whatelse. dunno if dev-team had stop to answer or don't had make the new poll start cause there are so much off-topic on those tread (don't think so!), but i'm sure we had make things a little difficult to follow, so it's on us to change our abits a little to give to all of us the chance of make hear our voice to others users and to dev-team.
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There have been several tries from several members (not just the one who published this post) to keep some threads clean, to give hints to use another (meaning a more suitable) thread and also postings, to get a topic back to the content.
What has happened? Our hints have been ignored very often, the person was offenden in a harsh way or he/she was (with or withoutz intention) missunderstood.
So your asks, don't publish this post, a hint is enough - is not enough, cause we tried it. And we tried it more then once.
Now look at some reactions: "Ok, then I leave" "Ok, I delete all messages"... None of us said, go away, delete your posts/pics...
At least it's your decision. And you know, this is the same answer we would have got if we say it in person.
Most answers are just about "you are not better" including the off-topic part of the post.
Yes, I alsol go off-topic sometimes, I alsol like to laugh and to flirt... this is an adult chat and of course you can't (and don't wannt) to stop it here completely. But this forum is not an alternate to a generl chat, nobody should forget that.
Please read everything. Just few answer to the part, the forum is getting more and more unfriendly. Perhaps you don't notice it, perhaps you don't feel to be meant, perhaps you disagree. It's all ok.
What about the question... let's discuss about the way we all want to have this forum?
Almost no answer.
It's so easy top put something out of the whole content and jump to it, saying "you are not better", "its not your forum", "you are the police"
I just answer for myself: No, its not my forum and I welcome every new member. If you read my posts, you wil know that. I love this forum, I love to read agress and also disagrees to my ideas and I never made the impress, that my voice is better or more worth then any other one. And yes, I try to keep a special way for this forum - even because I love it and I want to keep it growing. At least, I'm sure, every member he is wishing this. This is the reason, we have to keep it cleaner - new members will vanish at once, if they dont find the answers to their question, if they feel, they are mavericks, cause all other member seems to know themselves very well and just laugh together.
Is someone really a friend, just because he is flirting? And another one is not a friend, because he says "please get back to topic"?
It is said, some leave this forum and even Achat because of this letter. Ok. Is there just one good reason to leave something you love, just because some other people say "please be friendly, keep the topics with important content clean and think of all members"?
Can you imagine, lots of members left the forum, because they said "too much off-topic, too much senseless talks, too much flirting between some members"?
If you are reading/posting here everyday, as many of us (you and i) do, it's rather easy to follow. But there are many members, that don't have time for it - they come here from time to time, searching for new ideas, looking for help... they try to read maybe 3,4 or 5 threads and leave, cause they know what's going on.
We have an off-topic area, we have erotic fantasy area... why do we need to do this also in the important theads?
We don't want to stop the forum. We want to see it growing, we also want this forum to be open and friendly for everyone, no matter if he(she has same opinion as I have. This is the most important fact of the post. Not more, but nothing less.
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Lover.......you, Tightfit74, Keiko, Janine Dee, Adera & Bear have your good reason, no one deny it.
I see everyone here like a potential friends, no matter if i had talk whit them or not or if we have different opinion on an argument, i think it's a normal thing. will be really sad to see someone of you leaving the forum for trash (yes, trash.....i think this is just trash even if the argument is serious) like this, couse it's impossible for me to meet peoples like Blue or NG who live in the US and are usually in game when i'm sleeping in my comfy bed.
look at NG.....she is coming in the forum one at week , or maybe two, recently....it's sad, she is nice and i consider her a good friend and i will miss her. like i had miss everyone who are thinking to leave and how i had miss Rukya for the short (thanks God!) time she left.
i hope we can end all this right now and back to a peacefull mood and conversation
HB
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I was leaving, slowly but surely, I was leaving. Drifting more, and more because everywhere I turned every valid topic was getting flooded by OT, and I had less and less desire to bother with it, and yes with the Forum.
When I was approached with this I found myself with some new found hope that there might be a future for the Forum that went beyond (borrowing from Zinah) "one line flirt fests".
The kinder gentler approach had been tried, if I remember correctly the "Blue's House" thread started because of those gentler methods, but for my part I didn't see the OT flirt fests in other threads slowed in the slightest.
So when a group of friends approached me with this idea I said I wanted to sign my name to it because I agreed with it whole-heartedly.
I think as important of a question in this discussion is... Why has it gotten to this point that we felt this was our best option?
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This gonna be my last reply here, i don't wanna think and read more of this situation.......
All and no one have them fault for the OT, someone more then others. leave a thread whitout OT is utopy, don't deny it. What had disturbed most of the peoples who reply at your "open letter" (my personal opinion!) is the way it come out, like if it's a sort of inviolable dictat of the older members of the forum, pointing fingers here and there. Probably it wasn't in your intention, but this is how it seems.
I don't wanna point fingers to anyone saying "It's all your fault!", couse i'm here for enjoy some fun and enjoy some new friendship, not to arguing in a bad mood! i'll take my faults and i'll gonna try to use the forum in a better way from now on.
Last thing and i'll end this: i'll stop to promote the forum till the situation is back to normall, cause this is not the rigt atmosphere to wellcome new users.
From now on, i don't replay more here.
HB
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I want to thank everybody for their reactions, whatever tone it was in.
Over the past weeks/months, enough remarks and posts have been made, subtlely requesting to stay more on topic and be respectful towards the interests of others. They have been ignored and seen as unimportant (the nagging of a couple of oldtimers?)
This has led us to word our discontent the way we have. Some off you are offended, angry, pissed even. A perfect description of how I have felt when reading some posts over the last period.
Some have picked up on the suggestion to the a-team to have the forum cleaned up. I have made efforts to coherse the a-team to take their measures to make the forum more accessible, as it is a part of their business profile. I still very much urge them to do so..
This topic, provocative as it is in tone, is for me a follow up to the suggestions I have made to the a-team a few weeks earlier to increase the value of the forum for its members, the company and anyone interested in starting to play the game.
I hope a discussion will arise from this, as it was our intention
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I think we've heard from most everyone who has an opinion about this matter. I've tried to understand the points raised by those who find this thread offensive and I'm reading alot of, "I feel personally attacked, I will erase my posts, I will leave, you think you're better than me, etc." Well if everyone would stop being selfish in presuming it's all about themselves and start using the mentality that this is about the forum as a whole.
Take the time to re-read the posts in this thread and explain to me who is making the attacks? Who is shedding this subject in a negative light? You say it's the council? For poorly choosing our words? I encourage you to stop scrutinizing the words and listen to the ideas.
Now try listening to yourselves. You love the forum? Then what are you defending? The freedom to post what you want where you want? How will that benifit anyone else but yourself? Just for a moment I urge you to swing that judgemental pendulum the other way, looking at yourself in the mirror and tell me with confidence that the forum is fine because I am happy.
You made your voices clear, and they said the council can go straight to hell. Now you have another choice. Lets put our egos and emotions aside so we can discuss solutions like adults and together. Or let your ego control your emotions, get upset, point fingers at me for being insensitive then ignore or leave us. I am staying here to work out a solution with anyone who cares about the forum, what will you choose?
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The "I'm going to take my toys and go home", attitude of several of the respondents, rather than looking at the points objectively and finding ways to discuss the issue, is disappointing. The entire point of the OP is to do for ourselves, what, if AChat had a larger mod team, would be done for us. NO other forum I attend permits the level of OT bloat in their threads that has occurred here. I had already left and decided I wasn't going to renew my premium status. I only scene with one person, and as we don't have server-wide/general chat, the forums were what bought me back day after day and the forums have changed into something that for me, was unappealing.
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ok, i had read the post of Tight, Rukya and Keiko (Zinah had posted meanwhile i was writing. i'm sorry u wanna left.....hope you wanna accept my apologize for all this) and i HAVE to break my promise..........
First, Rukya, please, try to calm down a little and take a deep breath (this is for all, me too!)
Tight and Keiko.......increase the forum!? sure it will be great, but we can't do this alone. we need the help of the dev-team, we need their presence in some circustance, when we can't help other users or can't give an answer to a specific question (example, demonxxx request on the poll). Whitout their help, the forum can work good, but never increase his value......not how i mean it.
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@ Zina: Totally agree, you hit the point.
HB, thanks for your constructive post. Sometimes we need the A-Team, I agree. And there a lot of things we can do alone, just take a look at promoting the forum.
When Janine and I (and soon after Adera, Bear Tight and some other) started "to awake" this forum, there just have been few threads with in about 8,9 members posting. Was it a good time? Yes. But at least, our wish was to increase this forum. We wanted to have more voices, more ideas, to be the forum and important place for every member.
Look what has happened: It was and it is growing. That's great! Just to keep it growing in a healthy way, we need all members. If we don't be careful (each one uf us) there is the big danger of lots of confusion until the day the A-Team will intervene - then it has been a great forum for the longest time. None of us, I'm sure, want this. So each of us has to look to himself first.
There is no room for thinking "I wanna have just fun here and if anybody says something against it, he is an asshole". For this there is a better place, called AChat itself.
PS: You thought about stopping promoting - that's your good decision of course. Just read my wish: If any new user is reading this, recognizing there are almost all members working for the same idea, to have a helpful forum with nice people and everyone is allowed to give his honest opinion, will he really be scared? If your answer is same as mine, please go on promoting.
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Hiya's...
I really don't know what to say here except put out my own experience. I have only belonged to one other site that used a Forum like this, and it was really helpful to a new person or newbie (or is it noob?) like myelf, to be able to go to a place and actually get an answer to how to do things either on the site or posting in the forum. Like it was stated in a previous posting I was not allowed to start a thread or topic until I had made 20 posts. Even then there was a specific post that dealt with "etiquette" that I had to read before I was allowed to post.
When I first looked at this forum, everything seemed so jumbled and disconnected, and I could not find answers to my questions (I almost gave up). I had to actually ask people in the AChat game how to do things here in the Forum. Something as simple as putting a picture up as an avatar here. (Thank you Medjai for helping me with that). Then I began reading some of the old threads and learning from those, too. I even commented on one that was way out of date, and no longer valid (was corrected on it, too). Then I began posting in some of the newer discussions, even flirting, but gave up posting the flirts in them because it didn't have anything relative to add to the discussion. I thought about how I felt when first reading the topics, and how I had to page though posts to find anything that pertained to the subject, and I did not want to add to that. I love you all dearly, and reading the banter that goes on can be fun, because I think I know you all, but at first it was very frustrating to find things I was looking for.
I hope everyone just takes a deep breath and counts to 10. Please don't feel that anything that was posted was directed at you personally, I don't think that is anyone's intentions.
As for the Forum and what I would like to see. I would like to see some sort of a chat box, so if you want to flirt and banter, that would be a great place for it. I would like to see a complete section devoted to the new person. (How AChat works, how to meet people, the advantages of being premium or free, how to do everything in the forum, etc.) I would like to see a section devoted to the Poses, the existing ones and the ones we would like to see developed. I would like to see a section devoted to the clothing. Some of the ideas and designs you clever people have made are extrordinary. A section on rooms. Then the sections for the stories and contests and even the jibberish. I could go on and on.
Thanks for letting me share,
Pafe
P.S. What the heck is "OT"?
P.P.S. I wish I had seen this before I posed here. Look at the post here from Adera
http://www.funnyadultgamesplay.com/forum/index.php/topic,1454.0/topicseen.html
THAT is what I am talking about.
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lover, isn't the forum itself, is the community who use it. it had grown, i see it from when i subscrive 6 months ago, and i think all of us wish it begin bigger, whit new and (hope so!) fresh suggestion for the dev-team.
I think we have to wait two or three days, so we can all calm a little and restart to work togheter, as we usually do and, when and where it's possible, joke, tease and maybe more. afterall, we are on achat for this too! meet new peoples, make new experience and enjoy our fantasies!
Medjai, Blue, NG, Rukya and all the others who answer here.......this "open letter" hurts, i know, but not only cause we think it's pointed on us, but cause we know there is a true behinnd it, even if at the moment we don't wanna recognized it cause we are angry, in part disappointed. take our time, think on it......and if i'm not right at 100%, i am at 80%, i'm pretty sure of it. hope i can talk whit all of you directly in game, or if you disagree whit me, u can send private message.
Pafe, beatyfull world, really!, and i agree whit your idea on the forum structure! yes yes, mature woman are the best! ;D
P.S. OT means Off Topic
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"You can whinge all you like about OTHER FORUMS DON'T ALLOW WHAT GOES ON HERE but you miss the point that this is a sexual fantasy site where people come to enjoy themselves, this is not a forum run on it's own as a site set up purely as a forum."
To be clear, I left the forums because things had gotten, in my mind, out of hand The forums ceased to be enjoyable for me. I came to this thread because I heard the topic had been opened up and was being addressed.
Responses like the above however, make it clear change will not happen.
Be well.
Zinah
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I use the term "Council" loosely because some might assume we think of ourselves more superior than others and that is not true.
Rukya, I already addressed and cleared up the confusion about the choice of using this word within the first few posts. Call us whatever you want, "group, organization, rebellion, misfits, etc." This is not and should not be an issue.
No what made me so very very sad and angry was the fact that rather than open a thread to collect opinion to swing behind an ostensibly sensible proposal, a few people had got together in private off-forum and discussed what They thought ought to be the way the forum was run.
I don't know which one of us is stopping you from making this a discussion, but I can assure you ( as I already have any previous post) that we value your ideas and want your input.
Having discussed it off-site they then came back with a topic which they had had lots of time to prepare and discussed amongst themselves, but again rather than open a discussion this topic was posted as WE THE UNDERSIGNED think this is how the forum should be and will all you clutter-uppers of OUR Forum either do as we say or go away and leave our forum to be run as we want it.
This is a very distorted and perverted way of looking at the topic. We discussed it extensively amongst ourselves because we knew it was an important and controversial subject. We also finding more important enough that it deserves some deep consideration. I think we could have easily locked this topic if we didn't want anyone else's opinions.
but you miss the point that this is a sexual fantasy site where people come to enjoy themselves, this is not a forum run on it's own as a site set up purely as a forum.
I disagree, this is in fact a forum by name, design, and intention and it should operate as such. Try and find another forum that operates the way you described, there is none.
On the forums you are talking about everyone talks gossips to each other outside the forum, which is just what you did to come up with this topic,
There is nothing wrong with discussing a thought privately before posting it publicly.
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Having discussed it off-site they then came back with a topic which they had had lots of time to prepare and discussed amongst themselves, but again rather than open a discussion this topic was posted as WE THE UNDERSIGNED think this is how the forum should be and will all you clutter-uppers of OUR Forum either do as we say or go away and leave our forum to be run as we want it.
This is a very distorted and perverted way of looking at the topic. We discussed it extensively amongst ourselves because we knew it was an important and controversial subject. We also finding more important enough that it deserves some deep consideration. I think we could have easily locked this topic if we didn't want anyone else's opinions.
On the forums you are talking about everyone talks gossips to each other outside the forum, which is just what you did to come up with this topic,
There is nothing wrong with discussing a thought privately before posting it publicly.
Keiko have a point on this. for all them this is an important thing and talking togheter about it out of the foruum isn't bad. maybe, yes, there can be a different way to put out this discussion (and maybe in a better mood), but at last i think they had reach their goal: make all us think on what we want for enjoy in a better way achat.
I wanna ask to all to take a little break on this thread to clarify your thouugh, i think it's the better thing to do!
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Meant to jump into this long before but due to technical issues couldn't...
Call it what you want... we saw something happening and felt strong enough to understand that if things did not change the value of certain sections of the site was going to be destroyed if changes did not happen. My friends here knew they were going to take serious backlash for their words.... perhaps to overlap into the site itself.
Be chastised for calling things out It's a risk they took. I admire their courage... and when they tracked me down, asked would I back them... told my friends I would support their issue.
Because it was this behavior that made me indifferent... left me in spot of "what's the point of adding here". Whatever I said would be buried behind a parade of flirts and pointless banter… the idea lost to their indifference. In the end I left,… though I still pop in from time to time… nothing has changed….other than the group in their flirt mode has grown. My friends spoke up because this behavior had pushed them to that point where I was... rather than go silent they wanted to make their stand together. Watch out… cause there is a great deal of creative intellect there you may force away.
The why to act as a group was very easy…because individually we HAVE tried.. and been ignored.. so if it takes this to get your attention so be it. IGNORE my ass if you want... the truth still stands.
The topic of this Section is "Share your creative ideas... that may be added to AChat"
That last line was never there originally... it rose because suggestions made,.. ideas nurtured were and they did listen incorporate many into what you now play. I smiled when I first saw that pop up because I knew then we had their attention. A poignant statement of affirmation to what was going on that renewed my resolve to influence this place somehow. For that reason I tried hard for a long time to change my behavior and keep things focused and on topic. Yeah we bantered and played... but when ideas rose.. out attention refocused and we hammered at them,... pissed and moaned... but kept pushing.
HB I have told you before it's along process sometimes... you have to have faith they will answer your requests...create as specific request as possible that falls within the current boundary of the games construction. Be tolerant of those who propose too much that don't... and try to to shift discussions to things that might become reality. Because the developers always have been silent...but they do read the threads. The little things they do here though treat like gold... like those sticky threads created,... they were done for a purpose. Recognize that fact, they don't want pointless banter bloating them...to sort thru...they look specially for workable suggestions, ideas that spawn interest... I speak to you directly because eventually you may find yourself in that spot... the old mentoring group long gone...
Pafe points out the problem… new members can’t find the ideas… Adera comments… a poster feels frustrated and ignored… new ideas die… because folks treat them with indifference. That’s the key to understand… play in those spots where you have created play… leave the spots for creativity alone… If you can’t add something to the topic, best not post.
Don’t tell me they don’t listen,… they may not react in the forums but we have seen things into fruition.... maybe 75% of the things added the past year arising from ideas brought up in the forum and thoughtfully discussed. (Including the slider bar) I like to think that cabin was from my suggestion made a long time ago... so much of the details seem from my original thoughts including the duster on the wall... and the fact the pattern on the covers on the couch are bears ... it to me was like a gentle nudge of thanks from them (whether true or not.. I'll play in that delusion)
We saw our collective voices galvanize to get a better release pattern for the LGBT players. IT WORKS… as does the creative ideas. Stand in unity…treat these threads in this section with some seriousness.
What pisses me off in reading the responses here is the lack of understanding of the intent. It is your community… but play in play areas… create threads in the right areas, treat creative sections for their purpose… It is your forum,… make it what you want… but understand how harmful self centered posts can destroy golden opportunities.
Done and out of my rave… I wish you well, whether you hate me now or not.
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HB I have told you before it's along process sometimes... you have to have faith they will answer your requests...create as specific request as possible that falls within the current boundary of the games construction. Be tolerant of those who propose too much that don't... and try to to shift discussions to things that might become reality. Because the developers always have been silent...but they do read the threads. The little things they do here though treat like gold... like those sticky threads created,... they were done for a purpose. Recognize that fact, they don't want pointless banter bloating them...to sort thru...they look specially for workable suggestions, ideas that spawn interest... I speak to you directly because eventually you may find yourself in that spot... the old mentoring group long gone...
Bear, i can have faith and i will. only bad point is on the recent thread about new dress and poses........i thimnk we have to work on a little brief on them. in the one about dress, there are a ton of suggestion, maybe too much!
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Ok I see the concerns of this council, what I want to know is who appointed , Themselves. If this an open forum for the betterment of achat, then why was it dropped on us like a bomb. You as the council want us to see what you are trying to do, but you do not care about how we feel. The attack, and I cant think of a better word, on us is unwarranted. All we did wad post on the forum. I agree that several times we were off topic. You do not grasp why we are upset. I will reitterate again, the tone of the first post was unacceptable. You treated us as children, and just because you have been here longer and posted more, we are to not have an opinion, or a voice. you have acted like Gods not fellow posters. we were talked down to, not at. It seemed like an order not a discussion.
Blue, Rukya and others are right in thinking this way. What hurts more than anything, I considered most of you my friends. I felt that I deserved your respect, not ridacule. When I first read this post, I was hurt. There is not a one of us that hasnt gone off topic, from time to time. If you say that you havent you are wrong. I think I can speak for most of the ones that are offended. It is not what you said,It is the attitude at which you said it. Yes the forum needs cleaned up. Yes it needs to be better organized so new users can find things. It just needed to be a joint effort from ALL users not a small group that wants control.
For everyone, Im sorry that I come off like a spoiled bitch. Yes I removed my Photos that werent on topic. reason, It was stated in the original post that posting of photos should be kept to a minimum so i removed them. I also removed my banner cause I didnt want it to detract from the forum.
I hope you understand why I have done this, and why others are so upset. We are not children, and we dont want to be treated as such.
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No one doubt's the intent and idea behind the post. But instead of being constructive and tactful the underlying tone is just plain negative and clearly even insulting to some people. Also a bit of irony in the title ... "Forum Etiquette" after reading through it.
All I'm saying is try to see it from both sides, maybe even admit that the post was a bit antagonising would help.
YES! lets make the forum a better place for all ... but lets do it in a respectful and friendly manner.
Jacques.
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I agree with Jacquesza Whole heartedly
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I realize that I havent posted much on here. If you want my opinion, why not grant the writer of the post the power to change the post to keep things on track. That way you wouldnt have a user, who is not connected to the post, replying with where this idea has been suggested before. Especially, if he didnt write it, it is nothing of his concern, and yes you know who you are.
Yes i agree that some users are talked down to and have the right to be upset, its their right as forum members
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NewGurl and Jacques, yes your criticism and finger pointing to the opening topic has been exhausted. We all have heard what you see negative within this topic repeatedly. If your expecting apologies, then I'm sorry your feelings were hurt by what was said, however I will not apologize for the content of what was said. It needed to be addressed and the concern of "tiptoeing around eggshells" to say it would have not made anyone feel very much better. It's a controversial subject that was not going to sound any better dressed up in a pretty little bow. If you still disagree with these rules we suggested then lets here some positive solutions.
A-Team, what do you think about this forum? What is your interest in it? Which intentions do you have?
We simply think our main product is the AChat software, and this forum is an extension/addition to it.
Rukya, Susy specifically stated the forum is an addition to the game. Other games have dedicated forums and all operate in the same way. She does not say/hint that it is to be treated any less than an ordinary forum should be treated.
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I use the term "Council" loosely because some might assume we think of ourselves more superior than others and that is not true.
Rukya, I already addressed and cleared up the confusion about the choice of using this word within the first few posts. Call us whatever you want, "group, organization, rebellion, misfits, etc." This is not and should not be an issue.
No what made me so very very sad and angry was the fact that rather than open a thread to collect opinion to swing behind an ostensibly sensible proposal, a few people had got together in private off-forum and discussed what They thought ought to be the way the forum was run.
I don't know which one of us is stopping you from making this a discussion, but I can assure you ( as I already have any previous post) that we value your ideas and want your input.
Having discussed it off-site they then came back with a topic which they had had lots of time to prepare and discussed amongst themselves, but again rather than open a discussion this topic was posted as WE THE UNDERSIGNED think this is how the forum should be and will all you clutter-uppers of OUR Forum either do as we say or go away and leave our forum to be run as we want it.
This is a very distorted and perverted way of looking at the topic. We discussed it extensively amongst ourselves because we knew it was an important and controversial subject. We also finding more important enough that it deserves some deep consideration. I think we could have easily locked this topic if we didn't want anyone else's opinions.
but you miss the point that this is a sexual fantasy site where people come to enjoy themselves, this is not a forum run on it's own as a site set up purely as a forum.
I disagree, this is in fact a forum by name, design, and intention and it should operate as such. Try and find another forum that operates the way you described, there is none.
On the forums you are talking about everyone talks gossips to each other outside the forum, which is just what you did to come up with this topic,
There is nothing wrong with discussing a thought privately before posting it publicly.
You are missing the whole point, you as a group appointed yourselves judge, jury and exicutioner. We had NO input, you only wanted people in the group that thought exactly as you did. Are you afraid of us that much, afraid we might have some good ideas and want to do things better. This has turned into a bitch session and I am done
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You are missing the whole point, you as a group appointed yourselves judge, jury and exicutioner. We had NO input, you only wanted people in the group that thought exactly as you did.
I have answered a question like yours before in a previous post:
I don't know which one of us is stopping you from making this a discussion, but I can assure you ( as I already have any previous post) that we value your ideas and want your input.
We discussed it extensively amongst ourselves because we knew it was an important and controversial subject. We also finding more important enough that it deserves some deep consideration. I think we could have easily locked this topic if we didn't want anyone else's opinions. There is nothing wrong with discussing a thought privately before posting it publicly.
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OK OK< I get it you guys are the Master and we are the slave. Well I can role playas well as anybody on here
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We treat you as children NG? But... your reaction to the post has been nothing but childish. Have you ever heard of constructive criticism? Have you ever been faced with it? Can you take it? I have and I've learned to swallow my pride where you're only trying to lash back at us in whatever way you can.
I'm reading lots of posts here we're you think we have or are claiming power we don't have. Let me make something very clear to you, we're not judge, jury or executioner, you can continue going on about things here however you want and we can't do anything about it.
What will happen though is that we will leave and so will all the people who actually want to discuss things here.
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Bonnie....... ::)
I don't look at Tightfit74, Keiko, Lover, Janine Dee, Adera & Bear like master, but like old member whit more experience of us here in achat.
their idea is good (and needed!), the wrong part is in some tone, maybe a bit rough and a little like they are looking from an high position (well, maybe they are a little mature of us, in terms of subscription, not age), but the reason IS right!
now all depend on us (on this side) and on them (on the oder): if we wanna found a common way to make forum work well and continue to have some fun, we have to find out a compromise.
You are missing the whole point, you as a group appointed yourselves judge, jury and exicutioner. We had NO input, you only wanted people in the group that thought exactly as you did. Are you afraid of us that much, afraid we might have some good ideas and want to do things better. This has turned into a bitch session and I am done
Thunderstruk, if they don't give us any input, there must be a why and i think it's cause they wanna make us think on it SERIOUSLY and find out it by ourself. Then, we can discuss of it here or on another thread or, if you want, you can discuss it in private whit other peoples if you have some doubt. nothing wrong whit this last point
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OTs : ridiculuous suggestion. You're suggesting you are to decide when someone else's opinion, expression, whatever is deemed worthy of posting. Sounds mighty arrogant and self-centered to me.
What you may see as irrelevant or off-topic is how someone else likes to express themselves in reaction to a post. Who are you to rule that that expression is unwanted?
And what you may see as cluttering of the forums may be a forum that a lot of people ar perfectly happy with.
The whole idea is a form of censorship and nothing more.
If you guys are so adamant about how you think posts should be, fine, you go ahead and keep yourself to your made-up rules. In the meantime let everyone else post the way they want. It's a free internet after all.
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Adrian, the point isn't on the answer itself, but about we some times tend to go OT to long. yes, there are treads whit 2 or more continuos page full of OT, it's under all our eyes (i had give a good hands in some of them!). no one is asking you to stop answering to a tease or a joke, just try to limit it at a right place or moment. aaand, important, stop chit chatting to long off topic.
You can give an answer on topic and meanwhile do a joke, but the joke can't run all over the tread forever!
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None of us that signed the topic, are here just for ourselves.
None of us claims the forum to be ours.
It's obvious there are different viewpoints on how a forum should work. We have expressed ours.
We can spend pages and pages on discussing how the message was delivered. I think that is a waiste of time. If needed, I will show all examples on why I was ready to leave. The point is mute in my view.
The whole aim of the topic was to show our discontent, concern and offer sugestions on how to improve the forum. Also, if the post is read clearly:
it seems clear what we want. And so it is now becoming your choice, your decision. What kind of forum do you want to participate with, contribute to. As it is hopefully made clear, contributing, for the benefit of the game and all of it’s members, is what a forum is all about.
We want you to give your opinion as well, shape this forum together. If you see no reason to change anything, fine. Expect the forum to stay as it is, also expect me, and others to retreat (yes, i know probably some people are cheering behind their screen when reading this). The forum in its current form, is not a forum I want to contribute to. We are accused of claiming the forum for ourselves, from a higher position. To me, it seems the forum has already been claimed.
So far, only a few voices i have heard that want to contribute to a discussion about the forum. If this is the form that is desired, it's all yours... As suggested, there are other ways of creating a community, outside of this forum. But if I had a choice, I'd like to invite everyone to discuss how to continue...
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I have removed all of my posts on this subject. This is no form of protest or submission, what I said has been read by all he people who needed to see it.
I would urge any like-minded members to do the same as this is not a debate and is damaging the fabric of the site.
I would also urge THE COUNCIL to remove the whole post and start again in the spirit in which they say it was intended.
No more No less.
Love to all
Blue
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Rukya, I'm not expecting anything from what I wrote, mine is a mean spirited post after all. Everything we write is being interpreted badly and nothing we say will make you think differently anymore. If Bonnie hates me for the post I'll have to live with it, but I feel that she is overreacting, there is no need to remove things that have already been posted or images.
I'm no angel, I step out of line a lot, but I listen when people want to bring things back on topic and in general I try to respect the more serious topics.
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Rulya, she mean she wasn't wait something in particular.........mine are not the good word to explain it, sorry.
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So from what I am reading most everyone agrees with the ideas posted, but hates us for the way we delivered them?
At this point I'm pretty cool with that.
Because if being the villain can actually finally generate some action on this OT problem I'll wear that black hat, and if it doesn't I'll feel better leaving at least having spoke my peace.
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My "family" is saying that they'd rather see me go then move an OT post to an OT section.
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I think there are a lot of good ideas in the first post, but nobody will get any punishment if she/he won't comply with the ideas laid out here, as long as the official rules are not hurt.
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To susy's comment I will say that I have always taken pride in our ability to moderate ourselves, and I sincerely hope it continues.
To Rukya, and we haven't been saying any of the horrible things you've been attributing to our "tone", but we have said that if things don't change we won't be staying, and interpreting the "tone" of your replies you seem okay with that.
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The only one who had said wan left forum (and maybe game!? this is what i have understand!) is Zinah and she write it clearly. i'm sorry of that and like me others, i'm sure.
No one had ask to others users to leave, not in our power doing it, but it's clear from today post the atmosphere is really changed: we have our space where we can continue to "play" as we usually do, like "blue's house" and the "NSPD" tread. There we can be more free cause those place are made for it.
first and only post here : tc and i'll see you in game , hehe its always nice to dance with you :)
Why!? there is no reason for it......it's just cause you are angry, nothing more, i think
I'd like to make a personal request to all: please, stop talking about "Council", "family".......at my eyes this are ridicoluos terms in a forum! i really appreciate it, thanks ladies and gentlemen!
I had see susy's post and she is right: the world of the first post are heavy (a lot!) and it's not easy to handle them. But i think we can find the right way for doing it, just need to work all togheter.
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Thanks for the input susy. :)
I've also found it nice how we've been able to moderate ourselves and I also hope it continues.
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uuh hentai , hehe here i dont say goodbye lol , its just i could'nt anwser to medjai in the "hospital" topic cause its closed
surprised cause that was the NSPD post......that's all!
Adera, yes, we have to do our best by ourself. not only for the freedom we have in the forum, but to work and make achat mooore good for us and for new users. it's hard, we can argue so much (we are doing it from yesterday....lol!) but i bet we can do it!
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Page 3, Bear's post, he had said he had left, and came back for this thread.
In my very first post on the subject I said I have been getting ready to leave.
Tight stated it plainly in his most recent.
Pafe in her first post on the subject said the OT nearly kept her from bothering with the Forum.
Now while we've had pages and pages on our "tone" the fact that with Zinah added in you have 2 gone, 2 ready to go, and one (a newbie) nearly driven off before she ever started posting, and in all those pages about all the horrible things our "tone" communicated those people were ignored. Which to me sets the "tone" that they are not as important as the right to post what you want, when you want, where you want to.
And honestly if our "tone" is going to be read into I'm going to read right back. If I'm only supposed to talk about what was clearly stated I'll only do so when I'm shown the same respect.
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Janine, i know all that, and i was imagine there was something strange recently in the air.....to much peoples who usually post here were missing.
honestly, i have to admit, yesterday i was tempted to not submit at the contest, cause atfter the first read of the "letter", i was upset bt not for the world you used, but for how it come out so suddenly, like a stone on my head. but i had take time, think on it (it hurt cause i know i have my fault....i admit it!) and come out i have to agree whit that "letter".
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And we honestly didn't WANT to hurt anyone, but people were already being hurt. I can't help but compare this topic to an poorly set bone, or an infected wound. The bone has to be re-broken, or the wound has to be lanced and the infection drained for there to be actual healing.
Because we may be hated, but action IS finally coming about.
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I think it might be time to forgive and forget, everyone has had their say. Time to move on ;D
Jacques.
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I trust you, i'm sure you all don't wanna hurt anyone.
I think it's time to stop arguing and become propositive!
And here are my two cents:
basically, for first i see the structure of the forum a little wrong: this is how is it now
Please read first! - nothing to say on this......
Discussions about sex - why the treads on new released poses are here!? i think it suit more on the "Discussions about AChat". plus, it will be good if we can have a subsection for the story and contest. aaand have the fun stuff here, well till they are linked whit sex and achat.
Discussions about AChat - Here we have all the serious stuff: new suggestion, poll about new release and all about who can help make better our wonderfull achat.
Support - nothing to say on this......
Off-Topic - nothing to say on this......
Announcements - really needed!? at the moment, the only one section whitout meaning.
a way to make our flirt when someone give to our mind an hard hit!? maybe a quote, adding a link to the original post! dunno if it wil be the same, but it can help! if a post or two sometimes (every 2 or 3 page, for example) go OT, i don't think it's a big problem, the real mess is when we go off topic too long.
I'll hope i can read suggestion from now on and no other arguing post.
HB
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Well said Jacquesza and HB :)
I agree with your idea HB, just one point I see different:
Please read first needs at least 2 threads:
- An overview about the forum in general (where to post which idea, question, discussion....) it might be a big help for newbies
The new poses/updates can stay in Discussions about sex, but in a subsection as you also mentioned the erotic story board there.
If we also move the new poses to Discussions about AChat it might be too confusing after short time.
That's my opinion.
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edited here and there.....
when i was talking about new poses, i mean the one released. in lot of them we had say there are things to set up or full rewark. which section is better then the "Discussions about AChat"!? IMO
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Discussions about Sex is more orientation driven.. originally opened by Tom as a way to introduce new poses and was locked down so new new topics could not be introduced. It was neglected for a very long time and we had to discuss the new poses here in this section of the thread , which sadly meant as time progressed those topics drifted deep into neglect.
Last year I submitted the request to open the threads for us shift the pose discussions there...and create the shemale thread,... which never existed. Creating the separation made sense to me since orientation might influence readership of a thread and direct folks to a part of the thread which interested them specifically.
If anything I like the separation,... and imo rather they just rename the section.
I do have a question for suzy... do they ever look into the section to see the reactions or suggestions
As to Discussions about AChat... I think creating separate subsections here would benefit. One specifically for the developer driven side of threads... the other for member driven ideas.
As in the Erotic thread section.. in such format the developers could give a power to one here to monitor their development thread and weed the nonsense from it...or handle it themselves...
As to who has left... to clarify I still hold a premium here.. but waver on my decision... we can point to a few that have said they looked here almost left... that merely supports the fact that there probably some who came and saw chaos and didn't even attempt.
As to Zinah... yes... I pay a heavy price in this matter losing a close friend... the reactions here are another stake driving her decision not to renew.
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Bear, the separation is good and we can have it in the "Discussions about AChat". this is just an idea, it's all on the dev-team.
@Tight: i'd like to know the suggestion you had give to dev-team. if you can't post them here, and if you can, i hope you would like to send it to me via PM
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I had this design concept drawn up for a long while now and couldn't find any opportunity to share it or felt anyone would really care. But if I was given the opportunity to moderate the forum, I would have it set up like this...
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/devinelove152/FUTUREFORUM.jpg)
(I cut off the boards below "Share your crative ideas" in the interest of the image only due to it's size. They would stay.) With the additional suggestions for other subject matter made here, I think this would be a great start to categorize the threads. And relocate existing ones. This should reduce the size of some of the boards, making it easier to find the topic you are looking for. (I can't tell if the image is too big, I am posting this from my phone. If it is let me know and I will scale it down.)
The more popular topics, (New room development, New Pose development, etc.) I would create as a sticky thread, compiling everything we have discussed thus far from multiple threads into it.
EDIT: Image width is set to 400, height is 500
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HB,
on your request.. I have editted the mail as not everything is for public view. Not hiding anything, just don't want things to flare up again. This is what I suggested, it also depicts my view on the website as a whole, as I have outed in other posts as well..
Goal of forum:
1. Visiting card for AChat
2, Facade of company building should look pristeen
3. Portal for (new) members, to entice them to become prem.
4. Database for ideas
5. Platform for members to meet outside of the game and discuss topics of interest (forum)
consequences of less intense moderation:
The cluttered sections look chaotic. some sections are claimed by sticky posts, some longer as 8 months untouched. That does not appeal to people to go to the forum and contribute actively.
Possible solutions:
1. Wondering of Suzy has other tasks that eat her time away, besides the forum. She has been very quiet for a number of weeks, only to return with the comment: less words, more action. Though I haven't seen anything of her actions in the game.
2. appoint member-moderators, that can moderate (certain) sections of the forum while Suzy concentrates on the big issues.
3. Add another moderator, to assist Suzy in her work, as appareantly it is growing over her head...
Benefits of appointng member-moderators:
1. Free/unpaid volunteered assistance in the forums by responsible, professional, and dedicated members of the site.
2. Promotes a healthy, active appearance of helpful, knowledgable assistance in the forums.
3. Encourages growth by attracting more new members and motivates them to upgrade to premium.
4. Expect to find more passion and pride by members when they are given the opportunity to be responsible for a forum they have been loyal to.
I feel the forum is just as important as other parts of the website, and needs to have a professional, open, respectful appeal to people. Somewhere where it is easy to find info about the game, meet new people and express their interest in the game.
I have been passionate about the game from the start and have offered my views on how to improve the game. I hope my view will allow you to look at the forum closely and with a critical eye.
With kind regards,
Tight
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Thanks, Tight, i'll take some time to read it and think on it.
Keiko, set width to 650 or 700 (400 is to small and we can't read it) but i think your's idea will work well.
edit
(http://i1139.photobucket.com/albums/n558/devinelove152/FUTUREFORUM.jpg)
(sorry Keiko, stolen your work, but really need a big size!)
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First of all. I am not mad at anyone in particular. I want no one to leave, but that has already happened. I believe there can be common ground where we are all happy. Furthermore, be prepared, for in some of my posts it has been suggested by a certain user to get back on topic. Thats fine, I have gotten carried away from time to time. But when I see this same user off topic I will comment on there thread too. Whats good for me is good for you.
Maybe I do come across as childish. I just think its hyprocritical to say something about getting off topic and then doing it your self. And No I do not think that the posts should be moved or deleted, thats censorship. I have said what I have mostly out of anger. My point that I was upset has been noted, but I feel it woud be wrong for me to delete my responses.
Again I say there are some good ideas in the main part of this post. Being on topic makes for a better forum. Just be more respectful to the feelings of others, we are all adults here, lets act like it
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Let me say how pleased I am that since my last post this has at last started to be a discussion.
We all are allowed our own point of view and so far (whilst I have been reading it) such censorship has been absent from this forum.
One thing which I have not seen suggested for the new look/layout of the forum is somewhere where arguments and rants could be posted..................
Just a thought, looking at what happened here. ;)
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Blue, glad to see you here again. as you can see, the "Erotic Fantasies" is allways there, so maybe we can use that. other side, if you mean off-topic about sez or achat, Keiko don't had added them cause the pic will be to much big, but they will stay like wthey are now.
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Hiya's...
I had something I wanted to post, just a personal, therapy posting, but didn't know where to put it, so I posted it in the "Off Topic" section. I don't know if that was the correct place or not. Perhaps we could use that for place for arguments and rants. Although please keep the arguments to a civil debate ;)
Thanks for letting me share,
Pafe
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Pafe, I'm sure you talk about "Good Bye My Love". Yes. this is the right place for it.
The off-topic section is in general the board for everything else, which does not suit to AChat discussion. If you want to vent about something that has happened in real life, greetings, complaining... use this board.
I think this board (off topic) has to be renewed too, giving it some subsections. But let's go step by step. We shall collect all our ideas and I create a new thread for this. I think it's the best, before each of us posts his ideas anywhere here in this forum.
Of course, any ideas that "belong" to Bear, you can send him per pm directly.
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Blue, glad to see you here again. as you can see, the "Erotic Fantasies" is allways there, so maybe we can use that. other side, if you mean off-topic about sez or achat, Keiko don't had added them cause the pic will be to much big, but they will stay like wthey are now.
The main problem I see with playing in Erotic Fantasies, two of the best players have left. I hope they return but who knows. Oh well there will be a lot less off topic responses now
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creating a new group thread would be helpful... it takes care of the potential double posts. If that could be added it will also assist in reorganizing the sections there.
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I would suggest to start a new thread to continue our discussion about the forum and collect the ideas we have for changing lay out and categories. If we ask for a specific way for the forum to be reorganised and offer a view on how it should be, we can ask them to create the sections we need in a single go, instead of piling request upon request.
So I think we need to get clear what we want and how we want it, before making specific suggestions. Does that sound logical?
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For this I started this thread:
http://www.funnyadultgamesplay.com/forum/index.php/topic,1473.0.html
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WOW!!!!! I have read through the initial post 7 times and have been TOTALLY unable to find all the things everyone seemed so upset about (unless they had incredibly guilty consciences) I am not a member of the council, but i salute you and your ideas! nowhere in the post did it say "you can't say something"! Anyone who doesn't agree wholeheartedly that this is EXACTLY WHAT THE FORUM NEEDS should go read the FAQ thread. there are some good things in there.... if you can find them or have an hour or two to read through blather. It was late coming, but i did apologise for my own ill-mannered public blast at a "council member" (sorry again, Lover) and i posted it OT in the thread i mouthed off in. (off topic again) I see, looking up, I have spent 31 1/2 hours in the forum. that has been split around 10 or twelve topics because when i come back after 2 or three days, i have to read through 4 or 5 pages to see that NOTHING new/significant has ben added. I thought being adult was a requirement for membership.... just my 8 cents worth.
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WOW!!!!! I have read through the initial post 7 times and have been TOTALLY unable to find all the things everyone seemed so upset about (unless they had incredibly guilty consciences) I am not a member of the council, but i salute you and your ideas! nowhere in the post did it say "you can't say something"! Anyone who doesn't agree wholeheartedly that this is EXACTLY WHAT THE FORUM NEEDS should go read the FAQ thread. there are some good things in there.... if you can find them or have an hour or two to read through blather. It was late coming, but i did apologise for my own ill-mannered public blast at a "council member" (sorry again, Lover) and i posted it OT in the thread i mouthed off in. (off topic again) I see, looking up, I have spent 31 1/2 hours in the forum. that has been split around 10 or twelve topics because when i come back after 2 or three days, i have to read through 4 or 5 pages to see that NOTHING new/significant has ben added. I thought being adult was a requirement for membership.... just my 8 cents worth.
Chaz, as one of the offending posters in the past, you must go back and read some of the past posts to see what they are talking about, however, you wont see mine, I deleted over 100 posts of mine to clean up the mess i made. If you dont want to read the Blather then dont. I agree that the forum needed cleaning up. I dont agree with the way it was presented thats all. And I really get tired of everytime someone posts, there is a post durectly under telling them that they should have put it there.
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and with that note, I will close the topic.. Enough discussed...