Guys Stop paying for sex thru gifts

[angel81]

I know i replied to the proper thread about this i just want it to be a headline also. MAYBE we can put this to an end before it gets worse. I'm afraid thou that only the people that use Achat for its intended uses read these forums. The rest... Neandrethals  lol   this is a pste to another thread I replied to 

LETS KEEP THIS BUMPED so maybe we can end this prostitution ring from getting worse....

The A$ is starting to really concern me lately.  I joined 1 month ago to Achat and was a free user maybe for the day and immediately paid a monthly subscription. At the time I had noticed that most people (mainly females) were real paid monthly members. In the last 2 weeks I have seen the girls go way out of hand with the gift giving rights. Don't get me wrong i do like the fact we can give gifts but there are so many people now abusing it (GIRLS) Adding messages asking/DEMANDING gifts for pleasure. Its close to prostitution as you can in a virtual world get. And its making me wonder as a paid member "WHY did i pay real money to get everything I needed when i could have just used the guys to gift me".  Its really making me consider not paying my membership anymore since it seems not needed when i can just be like everyone else and get it given to me. Really depressing watching it happen.

And I don't JUST think the girls have problems with this. I think the men are equally to blame feeding into these girls. YOU ARE PAYING FOR SEX. Only you men can stop this now by refusing to pay. Gifts were meant to be thru friendships not sexual favors. You truely can't be that desperate to get your jollies off. Dont answer that I think im forgetting who i'm dealing with here. Mostly a bunch of neandrethals. If you boys/men do put this to an end soon you are all going to be in trouble as this gift giving escalates more causing most of you guys feeding the lizards to keep opening up your wallets.

STOP PAYING FOR SEXUAL FAVORS

[DianaDean]

[/size]I agree with you because I'm very saddened by the ACHAT, my subscription is over and now I can't use the things and bought. I think after our subscription over we should keep using the stuff we buy, because it is the obligation of developers to create more products and poses and us to just pay A$ gift to buy and not pay for a monthly subscription. I don't know if I'll again pay $ 4.95 for the subscription because I think that the subscription should be its permanence, and we should just pay A$ gift to buy new products and poses.

[bouli]

Well put Angel. I completely agree with you. Every time I get ask for a gift I get so disappointed, sometimes even mad.
The only few women I was prepared to give gifts to are the ones who never asked nor expected to. However, they've either become premium themselves or quit using AChat altogether.
When someone asks me for a gift, I usually stop responding completely or just give them a straight no.

What Diana proposes is a completely different issue. I personally think that it's fine as it is, but I think we should discuss that in a different thread really.

[Lover]

100% agree, Angel. Some weeks ago I posted in another topic about this. Yes, I like to make a present to my friends. But I wanna give it from my heart, not as a payment for fun. I am not amused to see more and more girls asking/ expecting a gift before!
The only way is to ignore! I also cleared some of my friends from my list. I made them a gift - I wanted to. And next time, suddenly they told me "Hey, gimme another gift first." Not my style. I deleted them at once. I hope all men do this way.

Lover

[Janine Dee]

I received a gift recently, it was a pleasant surprise, and even as I was delighted to get it I strove to make them understand I didn't need or expect it.

That was a GIFT.

It upsets me that there are those who are using the same system to make demands. While I've never had money demanded for favors I've debated removing those who even ask for them in messages... AChat doesn't cost THAT much.

If you think about it, those who DO sell themselves virtually are doing so for less then what most people have in their pockets in change in real money, and I find myself asking how closely I want to associate with those who will sell themselves for LESS then a cup of coffee.

[stella]

I agree 100%, i ever said in the chat  to the men that not must pay the women who ask credit, this is prostitution, and all his is ridicolous, because i pay 1,80 euro at mouth (for all  year are 23 euro), for have all. is possible who a girl haven'y neither less 2 euro in 1 mouth to pay? i ask to the staff that who ask publicly credits, be explelled. if someone want make a gift ok but only if him want .

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[angel81]

Maybe if there was ways that the people that obtain gifts are limited to only clothes and maybe even just a few clothes not the full selection and must renew monthly in order to keep those clothes. Not being able to buy positions unless a full real subscription was purchased. This keeping the people that pay for membership unique to the rest. If that makes any sense.  Mind you this will not stop the people from selling themselves but may lower it somewhat. Granting them full access by simply selling themselves is wrong there should be a way to maintain the gifts and stop thjis from happening. Right now we can only rely on the men to use their own judgement on gift giving. Again i say. Look at some of the men we are dealing with here. I understand there are many good guys out there with morales and respect that wont feed to this problem. Sad thou in my journeys in life i never found him   lmao

[DianaDean]

Personally I don't like the payment system of Achat, I think we should only pay the subscription and was permanent,  because we pay a monthly fee and then it expires we can't have access to products we purchased, and girls will continue asking the guys to gain the GIFT. This will only over when the GIFT will now be sold by a real price. Now if the problem is the delay of the developers create a new product, why they don't let people have a subscription to create a new  product and pose?
Maybe this would help to development of the Achat and encourage people to pay real money to our products and poses, without asking for gift they get to us.
And the better they would see that compensates you buy the subscription because they themselves would want to create your product and pose. Because you isn't worth buying the subscription and after one month you don't have access to the product that you purchased, and if left the way it is, until I will ask gifts for guys.

[Kaileen]

I only partly agree with this thread. I would never ask for gifts myself (they aren't exactly gifts if I demand them now are they?) unless I made it clear that I was selling myself as a prostitute, and I don't like the greed of some people. However, there are those who get turned on by the idea of being sold, being prostitutes, and I wouldn't want to take that away from them. Furthermore, there are people who get turned on by paying for sex and I wouldn't want to take that away from those either. I wouldn't mind if people who do this out of greed disappeared though.

That said, selling myself as a prostitute and even being owned is a fantasy of mine and a turn on... I don't need the A$ for a subscription since I'll be a premium member for another year and I don't need to buy much more from the store. However, if I were in the mood to sell myself I might ask for a symbolic sum and I wouldn't feel a bit guilty about doing that. It wouldn't be out of greed, but out of pleasure...

[Erico]

Diana Dean I agree 100% with you I was thinking of becoming a member of Achat, but after I read about the cancellation of their gifts upon the validity of the subscription, now I'll not want to spend my money paying for something that in the future will not have or use.

[Janine Dee]

Okay, I need to comment. This idea that you somehow "deserve" use after your subscription expires is silly to me. It's like demanding to make calls on a cellphone after you cancel service, because that is what AChat is, a service.

The fact that they offer a limited form of use for an unlimited amount of time is an incredibly generous gesture on their part, and the fact that people seem to think it obliges them to more says it may be too generous on their part.

Where do people think that the server space comes from? Someone is still paying for it. Or the electricity to run the servers? The developers that come up with new outfits, positions, and what not?

All of that costs money, and to think that money could be raised by the Shop as it stands now is incomprehensible to me. I would estimate that to run AChat purely on Shop sales would demand a 300-500% increase in prices, or more. Even more then that the quality would suffer because of the NEED to produce. So things like the recent improvements in the already impressive graphics would have never come to pass.

I am perfectly willing to pay for my usage here on AChat, and the idea that the digi-whore selling herself for some schmucks pocket change should be my equal is almost insulting.

[Kaileen]

I find it perfectly reasonable that they charge a monthly fee for the service, at least when it is this low. Let's look at the competition:

other game (Red Light Center) charges 20$ per month if I remember correctly, what you get then is a world where you can have sex and get frustrated by the frequent bugs that prevents you from logging in (and the owner, Brian, will take any opportunity he gets to make profit even if it is at the expense of customer satisfaction (which is usually the case))

Second Life doesn't charge anything for a basic account. However, you'll end up paying for every little item you want (and there are quite a few things you need to buy in order to achieve any form of realistic sex). Furthermore, there is a monthly fee involved if you wish to own land and your own property so you can set up a bed etc. (you'll have to pay in order to rent a bed some other place), and I think it's quite significantly higher than the AChat fee.

Sociolotron has a monthly fee which I think is slightly higher than the AChat fee. However, Sociolotron is not nearly as graphically appealing as AChat (it reminds me of the console games of the early 90s)

Then there are a few others which I don't know very much about... In comparison to the competition I think AChat is reasonably priced, it offers decent graphics, and the developers seem to be doing a good job of producing content.

In conclusion:
I don't think there is any warrant for complaints on the current pricing. Why not buy a year of premium time, use the 3000 A$ to get a few outfits and poses, and have fun. Any gift you get after that could be used to buy that piece of underwear your partner likes so much, or maybe a bit of jewelry as a treat to yourself? After all, isn't that a proper gift? If you're like me and get turned on by being bought you can charge a symbolic sum just for the exitement, that would leave everyone happy, no?

[Janine Dee]

I didn't know the competitions prices, but I did know that the asking prices were NOT that high. Especially for the quality of the coding.

And yes, we're not talking symbolic sums, or even sincere gifts. We're talking people demanding amounts in exchange for sexual gratification.

[DianaDean]

Kaileen my problem is not the price of the game, but the fact that you buy the subscription and then it over you not have more access to its products and poses. I think the Achat should be like IMVU where you pay for entering AP once only and that this account is permanent in this game developers make money by selling credits for people buying their products and poses. Simply an easy way to earn money and IMVU has over 90 thousand users in 88 countries and 80% of users pay for credits to buy products and poses. Maybe if the Achat were like IMVU people wouldn't be prostituting themselves to earn money from guys.

[bouli]

Janine Dee: Perfectly good points, I agree with you completely.

Kaileen: Thank you for that summary of the competition. I've been looking into a few of those myself, but like you say, it's hard to find anything this active (both community and development wise) for such a low price.

DianaDean: As you probably have heard already, the items sure aren't stolen from you as you stop paying, they're just put on hold until you decide you want to become an active (paying) member once more. And, concerning IMVU, isn't the more adult things limited the same way they are here? You need to pay to keep being a VIP (acces pass) user of sorts and have free access to some content? Or do you only have to buy a that pass once?

On a different note, for better or for worse, many of the other options require user to send in some kind of identification to prove themselves to be adults before accessing any nudity and action. I personally find it to be a bigger hassle than its gain. Sending copies of my id cards or similar online feels like too big an invasion of privacy for me. In my book, being able to send a small amount of money should be good enough a proof in most cases.